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| Topic Started: 27 Dec 2011, 02:47 PM (798 Views) | |
| daib0 | 27 Dec 2011, 02:47 PM Post #1 |
A thousand miles away, but just round the corner in spirit
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The Falklands / Las Malvinas It's looking a bit tense in the South Atlantic. Argentina has apparently closed its ports to ships flying the Falklands’ flag and Brazil and Uruguay have joined in. This is a significant blow to the islanders’ ability to import and export supplies and goods. Allegedly Argentina is cranking up the pressure as it knows the UK is now without aircraft carriers. Whilst not agitating anything like in Thatcher’s days (1980s) they do see it as convenient to force the issue a bit and see where Britain ‘gives’. There is a small battalion of troops stationed on the island, and it costs us a fortune (think it’s a quarter-of-a-million pounds a day?) but they would be overwhelmed by any theoretical Argentinian invasion force. But repeat, this would be extremely unlikely in our day and age, but still sad that there is no long term solution to this lengthy ‘crisis’. It’s not that the Falklands are especially in themselves so important to Britain – only 1,600 population and 500,000 sheep (!) – but are a useful grounding station for any future South seas explorations. Thoughts anyone ? Is it worth paying out a fortune to maintain these small islands on the other side of the world in today’s society? Edited by daib0, 27 Dec 2011, 02:50 PM.
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| SuffolkRoyal | 27 Dec 2011, 03:56 PM Post #2 |
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Its all part of the old empire rubbish. Whatever right does Britain have to a couple of pokey islands in the South Atlantic? The last debacle should never have taken place and it would be a travesty if anything like it was ever repeated. I know nothing about the history of the Falkland Islands. Before the last conflict, I never even knew where they were. I don't know how much more rights to them Argentina has, but, purely by their geographical location, it must be more than Britain. Its a bit like Argentina claiming ownership of the Isle of Wight. |
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| daib0 | 27 Dec 2011, 04:00 PM Post #3 |
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Love it ! 
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| loyalroyal99 | 27 Dec 2011, 07:22 PM Post #4 |
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The Jason Roberts stare...
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In my opinion, its definitely worth paying however much money is needed in order to protect people who want to be British from a country that just wants to take the islands to satisfy their own pride. |
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| daib0 | 27 Dec 2011, 07:44 PM Post #5 |
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Yep, but it's not such a black and white case as it might seem. Ever since the re-establishment of British rule only in 1833, Argentina has claimed sovereignty for geographical closeness and Spanish language of many of the generations at that time. But before that, claims are made in every direction - no-one really controlled the islands as such, and certainlu not over all the territory! The French navigator and military commander Louis Antoine de Bougainville founded the first settlement on Berkeley Sound, in present-day Port Louis, East Falkland in 1764. In 1765, the British captain John Byron explored and claimed Saunders Island on West Falkland, where he named the harbour Port Egmont and a settlement was constructed in 1766. Unaware of the French presence he claimed the island group for King George III. Spain acquired the French colony and placed the colony under a governor subordinate to the Buenos Aires colonial administration. Spain attacked Port Egmont, expelling the British presence in 1770, this brought the two countries to the brink of war but war was avoided by a peace treaty and the British return to Port Egmont. In 1774, economic pressures leading up to the American Revolutionary War forced Great Britain to withdraw from many overseas settlements, including these islands. Upon withdrawal the British left behind a plaque asserting her continued claim. Spain maintained its governor until 1806 who, on his departure, left behind a plaque asserting Spanish claims just like Britaib had already done. The remaining settlers were withdrawn by the United Provinces of the River Plate in 1811. I think that between 1811 and 1833 no-one was basically interested, and Argintina 'assumed' it was theirs for being just off their shores. And as I wrote, ever since the re- establishment of British rule as late as 1833, probably as some kind of thuggery to please the dear British royalty, Argentina has claimed sovereignty and not syrprisingly so. As commented, if Argentina or Brazil currently 'owned' the Isle of Wight, it's UNCONCEIVABLE that the English wouldn't want it 'back'!! If anyone looks where the place is - I find it difficult to maintain a claim over the place. It's true - it's as alien as Mars to most Englishman. It's certainly not been British through the centuries, and the claim is based on thin air to many experts. Of course, the present occupiers want to remain British, but based primarily for financial/economic gain:  Edited by daib0, 27 Dec 2011, 07:56 PM.
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| BiscuitBeale | 27 Dec 2011, 10:40 PM Post #6 |
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Argentina are only up in arms now because a British oil company has struck oil in the waters off The Falklands. Surely it should be down to the people of The Falklands to decide if they want to be British or Argentinian? |
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| Hayes | 27 Dec 2011, 11:04 PM Post #7 |
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How many of our armed forces died in the battle to get The Falklands back?Did they die in vain just for us to roll over and give it to them back.Alright it was Thatchers ego trip but it happened and we must back them.Has BB says its up to the people there and they would overwhelmingly want to stay with us.If there is oil there more the better,lets have it before we run out. But of coarse this brain dead useless goverment has got rid of most of our navy and armed forces so we couldnt defend Dover now let alone the Falklands. Edited by Hayes, 27 Dec 2011, 11:10 PM.
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| Pea | 27 Dec 2011, 11:57 PM Post #8 |
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Sorry that's not entirely factual, it was Uruguay who proposed the ban on ships flying the Falklands flag which was agreed by Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay. It's mainly them exerting some show of authority on the issue and trying to break away from the idea of playing along with the old imperial powers because of their influence. That region and Brazil in particular have grown economically in leaps and bounds of late and they don't need to toe the line so much anymore! |
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| loyalroyal99 | 28 Dec 2011, 11:34 AM Post #9 |
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The Jason Roberts stare...
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Best wishes to Argentine President Cristina Fernandez who's got cancer. |
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| SuffolkRoyal | 28 Dec 2011, 05:52 PM Post #10 |
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Using that logic, you might just as well quote the British Service men and women who fought in the world war II only to see us spend the next fifty years snuggling up to Germany and Italy. There should be a negotiated settlement between the UK and Argentina regarding the Falklands. If the Falklands are really costing us that amount of money all I see it as is more unnecessary oversea's aid that we can't afford. |
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